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Can an agreement ever be made on climate change?

It is highly unlikely that a new legally binding climate treaty will be agreed this year, the UK government says. How important is a legally binding treaty on climate change?

Two years ago, governments vowed to finalise a treaty at next month’s UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen.

Climate Secretary Ed Miliband had said a deal could be reached, but now says only a political deal is likely.

Developing countries reacted with frustration and disappointment.

Can a deal be reached at the Copenhagen summit? What will it take to get an agreement from all countries? Is a political deal a step in the right direction?

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Published: Friday, 6 November, 2009, 11:16 GMT 11:16 UK

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 10:09 GMT 10:09 UK

"Oh well, it's fortunately only on here (HYS) that the climate-deniers are in a majority. Brian, Berlin"

Brian, nobody is denying that there is a climate.

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 10:08 GMT 10:08 UK

NO.
This government has had 12 years to ensure that we are doing our bit. What exactly has been done? We do not even have provision to ensure that the lights will not go out within the next 5yrs.
Every house that has been built in this period should have had solar panels, insulation should have been maximised in all houses,.
We are sitting on huge amounts of coal, so why has technology to use it cleanly not been pushed forward? Governments answer is to tax us.
Cutting waste is preferable.

grania davy, farnham, Yemen

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 10:05 GMT 10:05 UK

the science of climate change has been established for at least 20 years. Though naysayers are convinced most of it is little more than hysteria, it has never been dismissed (convincingly) as a hoax.
As for an agreement, sorry but I'm sceptical that any decision can be 100% adhered to by all parties. The representatives may make (sincere) promises and commitments, but then implementing them goes to dozens of very large, private companies. Which those leaders have NO real control of.

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 10:04 GMT 10:04 UK

"Of course it is. Taxes are also being raised on these dubious grounds in many other countries, too. Scientists depend largely on govt. grants, and we all know what happens when scientists dare to voice something that goes against govt. pre-decided policies, do we not?"

So why do oil company scientists agree with the IPCC and even sit on its workgroups? Recent events show scientists have integrity when faced with policy they disagree with. So why aren't climate scientists resigning?

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:52 GMT 09:52 UK

A political deal is a step in the right direction because of the publicity it will get, but the problem is worldwide and so should be tackled by all cultural activities that are international. All churches, synagogues,temples,mosques, etc should be reducing their carbon footprint; Scouts,Guides everywhere should be growing veg.trees.flowers; Universities everywhere should be researching carbon capture;Retail businesses that are global should be cutting down on packaging;HYS posts could add more

Marion Monahan, Bristol

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:52 GMT 09:52 UK

Taxes will be the obvious answer to climate change ... as it is the obvious answer to ANYTHING governments discuss.

I can't afford to fly anywhere so my carbon footprint is fairly low ... any chance of a tax rebate ???

S J, South Wales, UK

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:45 GMT 09:45 UK

if you can tax it the gov will be there, g20= has the inside knowledge on climatic change ,it is cyclic and at the same time ,
the billions in taxes put on any thing that might or might not have an emission are going where ? or doing what,

the green thing is an angle to make money ,watch out for the next round of vehicle emission regulations ,and then the cost to you,
look at the taxes on air travel for people but not the fuel,
its business no climate:
oobuc5

peter mose, yeovil, United Kingdom

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:43 GMT 09:43 UK

No doubt there is global warming maybe due to emmisions , but our govt use it as an excuse to make more money from the taxpayer.

[likklepete], mansfield, United Kingdom

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:43 GMT 09:43 UK

The public is not interested in cutting CO2 emissions and therefore nor is the Government. Lots and lots of talking to be seen to be interested but action will never happen.

Spending money on planting trees and developing clean energy sources wins little favour with the public compared to Education, Defence, NHS &c

The Government only sees this as a way of balancing the books - low emmision zones and carbon taxes - great.

Chris, Northampton

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:31 GMT 09:31 UK

Hopefully no deal will be reached, these fools are trying to change something by only addressing one part of its cause and are destined to fail.
Any deal must be holistic and be tied up with population control, disposal of waste and the use of natural resources worldwide, and not just the rich western politicians giving cash to third world politicians for them to squander and waste on themselves.
No deal is much better than a short term bad deal.

Andrew Wills, Fareham

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:30 GMT 09:30 UK

"The fact is that peer-reviewed science is the most reliable source of scientific information, and peer-reviewed science from the ‘sceptics’ is practically non-existent"
harry hartlepool

Harry, you need to broaden your reading away from "The Al Gore Weekly). Nearly all the new UK peer-reviewed science says MMGW isnt happening...except for the UK's Met Office and Hadley Centre - paid for out of our taxes, so they wont disagree with the policicians.

The climate's always changed, nothing new.

John Smith, Why has global temperature not risen since 1997?

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:26 GMT 09:26 UK

Lovely to see most of the recommended comments, as usual, looking like caricatures of HYS, as seen in the Guardian or Private Eye: misspelled, illogical, ignorant and dim … Oh well, it's fortunately only on here that the climate-deniers are in a majority.

Brian, Berlin

Notice the grammatical errors in Brains oops Brians comments. Bit of a nerve to be critical about others methinks...

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:19 GMT 09:19 UK

"we have instrument records for the past 50 years."
karl harry popper

And most of those records are subjective judgements used by eye-balling old fashioned mercury or alcohol thermometers, none of which had been calibrated to ensure uniform measurements. Satelite measurements only started in 1976, and 33 years of acurate measurement is not enough to predict anything whatsoever. It's like trying to extrapolate the entire storyline of a movie from watching the first 3 seconds of it.

Goodlookin Flatdog, Stockton-on-Tees, United Kingdom

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:18 GMT 09:18 UK

They can just about tell you the weather today, tomorrow is hit and miss, 5 days time you've no chance unless you live in the Sahara. All of the global warming/cooling/climate change is based on predictions and if you can't predict the weather in a month how can you do it accurately over 5, 10 or 100 years?

Their excuse is its more difficult to be accurate with localised weather (We can prove their accuracy) but they can be so much more accurate with Global weather... Pardon?

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Added: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 09:17 GMT 09:17 UK

More ministerial Hot Air to add to whats already out there..

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